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    Our son will. These statements make me feel so angry and sad that there are so many unloved children out there. So many parents that seem "annoyed" at their children all the time.

    I will die happy that I was able to be a parent and experience the joy it brings me. Fuck these people. Really, fuck them.

    I'm going to go hug my son. My mom and dad fight all the time. Shes bi polar, hes just tired from life. I'd gladly of taken 2 gay parents if they were happy.

    Don't let stupid people bring out hatred. You are already a far better person than the narrow minded who refuse to even try and see what life may be like from a different view point.

    The man your son will turn out to be because of you and your wife will keep changing the world for the better. Channel that frustration into motivation to keep being an amazing parent.

    Oh and fuck that guy. Ok so a little hate is OK I think you hit it on the head. I had a "traditional" home life and my childhood was a shitstorm.

    I'm sure there are gay couples out there that would do a lousy job raising children, but just off the top of my head it seems with it being harder, even in this day and age, to be a gay couple I'm assuming here then the average gay couple is probably very, very committed and loving and liable to make excellent parents.

    In the various countries which openly allow gay couples to raise children, there is no indication that kids suffer anything because of it.

    They did try to find something, anything, but failed. Since it is rather difficult for a gay couple to have a child accidentally it stands to reason that on average children raised by gay couples do better than those by straight couples.

    There simply are a lot less unwanted children in gay households as well as less children the couple cannot look after for financial reasons.

    The Republican party and those who vote for them have been allergic to facts for a very long time. For get about them being anti-woman, anti-gay, and anti-science, they are simply anti-reality.

    I'm really hoping for the Republican party to fracture into at least two groups, one of which has a clue, so I can have some realistic choices when I vote.

    Even if this was true, children are still better off with parents that care for them rather than no parents at all.

    This whole line of thought is BS from the gate. No, no, don't you know that growing up unloved in foster care is way better than dealing with icky gay parents?

    To give credit where it is due I know a man who raised a whole bunch of foster kids over his lifetime. And was actually a good parent.

    And another family raising a couple. I think the rationale goes, im a christian, therefore im a good person, therefore im a great parent.

    Parenting requires caring about the child, not the religion. There are lots of fosters that do very well for the kids.

    And there are also lots who just use the kids for a government paycheck. Sexual orientation has zero to do with raising a child. Furthermore if you actually read my comment I was giving credit where it is due, but I don't see all these Christians adopting or fostering all these kids.

    I'd love to see a good study of factors like food, housing, education, clothing and medical care between gay and straight parents. I'd wager that gay couples provide better for their children on average than straight couples.

    Since they have to plan for it, and really want it. If the vetting process is even the slightest bit effective, the adoptive couples must be, on average, better.

    I wonder what the stats are on adoptive couples vs bio-parents excluding the situation where the adoptive parents are related to the bio-parents?

    IIRC the study he's butchering a citation of said that children do better in 2 parent households.

    It didn't mention that the parents had to be of opposing genders. Maybe we could say that children do better when they are not sick or injured and without being able to have medical care.

    Maybe we could say that children do better when they can go to well maintained public schools with good teachers. Children tend to do better academically and socio-emotionally in traditional households than any other.

    Read many studies about it Now what these studies have all neglected, every single one, is to include in the categories of family composition the option for two married homosexual parents.

    The only options have been: Biological mother and father, bio mother alone, bio father alone, bio father or mother and step parent, guardian alone, or two guardians the guardian categories mostly refer to grandparents or relatives, not gay couples.

    I believe the facts show that children do better with truthful parents. Hey, GOP. That's relevant to you. I'd imagine any study not adjusted for income levels and similar demographics would be highly in favor of gay parents.

    Gay parents can't have accidental babies. They won't stop lying. Edit: and it looks like studies that show no difference have used single mothers as the comparison.

    This is neither liberal or propaganda, this is just fact supported by reason and evidence. Calling it "liberal propaganda" is intellectually lazy and an easy way to denigrate same sex families and the science that backs it as no different than opposite sex families.

    Care to back up your assertion that this is "liberal propaganda" and harmful? Both intellectually lazy and indolent.

    Read the damn article. All the studies to support the fact check are linked in the article. I think it's apparent that you've started with a political conclusion and then tried to backfill a justification for it, albeit poorly so far.

    If you were interested in knowing what's true and avoiding false beliefs, you would've read the article and evaluated all the evidence and then came to a conclusion.

    However, it seems you don't like the conclusion, so you're avoiding the work to avoid the cognitive dissonance. I read it. The "sources" at the bottom just link other articles, not the actual studies.

    From what I can tell it just shows why the GOP studies were wrong, but not really why the others are right or unbiased.

    This still has nothing to do with atheism imo. I said I support their raise children, and yet you attack me because I don't agree on every single point of the liberal agenda.

    This is why I am beginning to hate liberals. Far too aggressive and unreasonable to have a conversation with. Under the paragraph heading "What the research shows," the very first sentence contains a link to the actual studies about the well-being of children raised by same sex parents.

    This is basically most of the published research so far. You can investigate further by looking up each article's citations to examine whether the research was well conducted, the methodology was sound, the data supported the conclusion, and that the work has been replicated by others.

    This is the confirmation that they were "right or unbiased. Well, your opinion is wrong and I can show you why. The GOP's favorite conservative christian lobby group mission statement is to "advance faith, family and freedom in public policy and the culture from a Christian worldview.

    They have started with a conclusion that homosexuality is bad because the bible says so, that homosexuals are sexual perverts, and children living with sexual perverts will only end up being abused.

    Since they need to be speaking the same language when discussing public policy -- reason and evidence, not bible quotes -- they funded and published or cherry picked bad social science studies.

    Many conservative christians are of like mind. I came here to read the comments. You commented in a public place with a bad argument and thus invited criticism of your argument, and I responded.

    It's not an attack on you because you don't agree, it was a criticism of your argument. The only thing that could be interpreted as an attack on you was about your intellectual laziness.

    Using blanket statements labeling this "liberal propaganda" and "liberal agenda" isn't a conversation. It was merely an assertion of your disagreement without stating any argument why you disagreed.

    Further, it was an assertion that the position stated in the article was merely about political identity. The only aggressiveness I see here is your dismissiveness over the evidence and unwillingness to engage with it, your labeling it as an political identity issue "liberal", and the statement "[t]his is why I am beginning to hate liberals.

    What does this have to do with a "liberal agenda" or liberals or ramming political bullshit down people's throats? I only care about knowing as many true things as possible and as few false things as possible and I value personal freedom -- especially freedom from establishment of religion by government.

    Depending on the issue this puts me on the left or right of the political spectrum and doesn't have anything to do with a "liberal agenda" or a "conservative agenda.

    Thou shalt refrain from being a bigot. This is a subreddit for atheists, not one about atheism. I can be an atheist and a bigot, or a racist or whatever I want.

    I would support their right to try I guess, but I don't have to consider it equal. As an atheist I have a lack of belief in a magic sky man.

    I'm concerned that if I leave the unit in this state it will eventually "time out" on the Tivo end and possibly disable my account or something equally annoying?

    Any help appreciated - my searches on this issue keep coming up dry. Thanks, Tim. If you change that string to 3. The "is not safe" comment is TiVo being smart about things, and not attempting to downgrade you to 2.

    It never does an upgrade when the TmsID of the current software in your case is greater than the TmsID of the software wanting to be installed MuscleNerd - Thanks a ton for the feedback on this been driving me nuts!

    I'll start searching around If anyone can point me in the right direction for editing this I'd appreciate it. Thanks again MuscleNerd!

    I'm trying to get up to speed on MFS - interesting stuff. I've learned about and downloaded dbget and dbset.

    I'm a little confused still about how to correctly use the dbset command to change the SwSystemName. A little worried here - I'm a very new to MFS and don't want to hose this Tivo - just need to stop these nightly restarts before they cause me other problems.

    Thanks for any help. After you do the dbset, it may take one or two reboots for your particular problem to go away. Did the change and rebooted.

    I appreciate your help. Not sure why that object was incorrectly set - I built this Tivo from a 3. Regardless it does seem like this could be related to my problem with nightly restarts.

    Too strange - I forced a daily call - the system completed the call and had the "Pending Restart" message. I left it alone but the Tivo seems to be acting up more now - random lockups - it rebooted on it's own - I saw the "Loading new software from Tivo Service" splash screen.

    I feel like I'm caught in some odd loop. The SwSystemName is actually set by the daily call. If you're seeing it revert to 2. I do know of some subscribers who are stuck at 2.

    What kind of access card do you have? In any event, you may want to call TiVo and ask them to lookup what version software they think you should be running on that particular box.

    Now this is starting to make some sense to me. The DTivo in question is a replacement unit for one I fried during troubleshooting power supply issues.

    This one I purchased a few weeks ago off e-bay and it came "as-is" without a functioning drive. I rebuilt the system using a 3.

    Used 51killer to disable the Error 51 problem. I then had to get a new access card shipped from DirecTV to activate the receiver.

    They activated the card last week I'm assuming they sent me a P4 card but would have to check to confirm. I'm guessing the receiver was last used with a 2.

    So in all likelihood you hit the nail on the head MuscleNerd - Tivo service must think this unit should be running 2.

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    I'd imagine any study not adjusted for income levels and similar demographics would be highly in favor of gay parents. Gay parents can't have accidental babies.

    They won't stop lying. Edit: and it looks like studies that show no difference have used single mothers as the comparison.

    This is neither liberal or propaganda, this is just fact supported by reason and evidence. Calling it "liberal propaganda" is intellectually lazy and an easy way to denigrate same sex families and the science that backs it as no different than opposite sex families.

    Care to back up your assertion that this is "liberal propaganda" and harmful? Both intellectually lazy and indolent.

    Read the damn article. All the studies to support the fact check are linked in the article. I think it's apparent that you've started with a political conclusion and then tried to backfill a justification for it, albeit poorly so far.

    If you were interested in knowing what's true and avoiding false beliefs, you would've read the article and evaluated all the evidence and then came to a conclusion.

    However, it seems you don't like the conclusion, so you're avoiding the work to avoid the cognitive dissonance. I read it.

    The "sources" at the bottom just link other articles, not the actual studies. From what I can tell it just shows why the GOP studies were wrong, but not really why the others are right or unbiased.

    This still has nothing to do with atheism imo. I said I support their raise children, and yet you attack me because I don't agree on every single point of the liberal agenda.

    This is why I am beginning to hate liberals. Far too aggressive and unreasonable to have a conversation with. Under the paragraph heading "What the research shows," the very first sentence contains a link to the actual studies about the well-being of children raised by same sex parents.

    This is basically most of the published research so far. You can investigate further by looking up each article's citations to examine whether the research was well conducted, the methodology was sound, the data supported the conclusion, and that the work has been replicated by others.

    This is the confirmation that they were "right or unbiased. Well, your opinion is wrong and I can show you why. The GOP's favorite conservative christian lobby group mission statement is to "advance faith, family and freedom in public policy and the culture from a Christian worldview.

    They have started with a conclusion that homosexuality is bad because the bible says so, that homosexuals are sexual perverts, and children living with sexual perverts will only end up being abused.

    Since they need to be speaking the same language when discussing public policy -- reason and evidence, not bible quotes -- they funded and published or cherry picked bad social science studies.

    Many conservative christians are of like mind. I came here to read the comments. You commented in a public place with a bad argument and thus invited criticism of your argument, and I responded.

    It's not an attack on you because you don't agree, it was a criticism of your argument. The only thing that could be interpreted as an attack on you was about your intellectual laziness.

    Using blanket statements labeling this "liberal propaganda" and "liberal agenda" isn't a conversation.

    It was merely an assertion of your disagreement without stating any argument why you disagreed. Further, it was an assertion that the position stated in the article was merely about political identity.

    The only aggressiveness I see here is your dismissiveness over the evidence and unwillingness to engage with it, your labeling it as an political identity issue "liberal", and the statement "[t]his is why I am beginning to hate liberals.

    What does this have to do with a "liberal agenda" or liberals or ramming political bullshit down people's throats? I only care about knowing as many true things as possible and as few false things as possible and I value personal freedom -- especially freedom from establishment of religion by government.

    Depending on the issue this puts me on the left or right of the political spectrum and doesn't have anything to do with a "liberal agenda" or a "conservative agenda.

    Thou shalt refrain from being a bigot. This is a subreddit for atheists, not one about atheism. I can be an atheist and a bigot, or a racist or whatever I want.

    I would support their right to try I guess, but I don't have to consider it equal. As an atheist I have a lack of belief in a magic sky man.

    Full stop. I don't have to align with any political party because of my thoughts on said sky man. All an atheist is is being right about how many gods exist.

    You can be wrong about anything else. I've actually seen two different studies put forward which supposedly demonstrate that children don't do as well when raised by a stable same-sex couple.

    Neither of those sound religiously distorted to me. You can disagree with gay people without any religious involvement. I don't even know any gay couples interested in kids.

    I tend to think the family-gays are a much smaller minority than mainstream media portrays. Would I support their right to do so?

    Sure, I guess, if they can meet the adoption criteria. They don't realise just how sick of it people are getting.

    There are people here who think 18 month old kids can be trannies. I was a libertarian, and I no longer care what happens to the leftists. They don't care about anyone else's rights, and they don't care if they destroy the economy or society or the lives of kids, as long as they get their way and more money.

    If you dislike empathy, compassion, reason and equality then you're doing this being human thing wrongly.

    Since neuroplasticity is not capable of such great variance after birth it is something people are born with. Your bigoted opinions will become just as unacceptable as those of your parents, who thought that interracial marriage was an abomination.

    If in the future you would like to refrain from being a total outcast, if you would like to keep your job, you will either adjust your bigoted opinions to conform to reality or you will learn to keep them to yourself.

    I remember you, you freaked out when I gave you evidence from your own position on global warming that contradicted some idea of a hoax you had.

    So tell me some more about 'reason. It's funny that the gays, trannies, lesbians, feminists etc threaten other people with social disapproval.

    It was terrible when it happened to them, but a great tool against the people they don't like. You tell me conform or lose everything. I remember you as well, you're an unrepentant bigot who sees no problem with calling black people niggers, Jews kikes and transgender people trannies.

    Merari, don't feed the troll. Let it starve. No one can possibly be that obnoxious You want every advantage and law you can get, and you are willing to use it against others while screaming if you don't get your way.

    I said for years I don't want to make any laws against gays or abortions, or any of this other crap. Not anymore. Thanks for proving that we can't live together in the same society, and that one of us has to go.

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    I always wanted to adopt an unwanted, accidental child of a gay couple But they are not most Christians.

    Where did I say this? View Full Version : Upgraded Dtivo 3. I just completed an upgrade of a Hughes Dtivo S1 including Turbonet and most of the "standard" hacks.

    I'm having a problem with this unit restarting after the nightly download - it seems to be trying to "upgrade" the software. This unit was built from a known good 3.

    This morning I checked the 0kernel log and found the following at the end: Sep 27 none kernel: Installing software from SwSystem 2. Sep 27 none kernel: Could not check software installation: System should have rebooted The unit system is currently running 3.

    It looks to me like it's checking the inactive partition and sees a 2. I don't know why the inactive partition would be set to 2.

    And I don't know why it keeps going into Pending Restart status - as if it's downloading an "upgrade" at each daily call.

    I'm concerned that if I leave the unit in this state it will eventually "time out" on the Tivo end and possibly disable my account or something equally annoying?

    Any help appreciated - my searches on this issue keep coming up dry. Thanks, Tim. If you change that string to 3. The "is not safe" comment is TiVo being smart about things, and not attempting to downgrade you to 2.

    It never does an upgrade when the TmsID of the current software in your case is greater than the TmsID of the software wanting to be installed MuscleNerd - Thanks a ton for the feedback on this been driving me nuts!

    I'll start searching around If anyone can point me in the right direction for editing this I'd appreciate it. Thanks again MuscleNerd!

    I'm trying to get up to speed on MFS - interesting stuff. I've learned about and downloaded dbget and dbset. I'm a little confused still about how to correctly use the dbset command to change the SwSystemName.

    A little worried here - I'm a very new to MFS and don't want to hose this Tivo - just need to stop these nightly restarts before they cause me other problems.

    Thanks for any help. After you do the dbset, it may take one or two reboots for your particular problem to go away.

    Did the change and rebooted. I appreciate your help. Not sure why that object was incorrectly set - I built this Tivo from a 3.

    Regardless it does seem like this could be related to my problem with nightly restarts. Too strange - I forced a daily call - the system completed the call and had the "Pending Restart" message.

    I left it alone but the Tivo seems to be acting up more now - random lockups - it rebooted on it's own - I saw the "Loading new software from Tivo Service" splash screen.

    I feel like I'm caught in some odd loop. The SwSystemName is actually set by the daily call. If you're seeing it revert to 2.

    I do know of some subscribers who are stuck at 2. What kind of access card do you have? In any event, you may want to call TiVo and ask them to lookup what version software they think you should be running on that particular box.

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